Cavs’ first assembly with J.B. Bickerstaff hints at common season rotation: Wine and Gold Discuss podcast

Takeaways:

• The Cavs are in a very good place due to the work that J.B. Bickerstaff did whereas on the helm.
• Bickerstaff’s culture-building will probably be essential for the Pistons’ resurgence.
• Max Strus is crucial for the Cavs’ beginning lineup.
• Dean Wade’s versatility makes him a key participant for the Cavs, if he’s wholesome and assured.
• Kenny Atkinson’s fashionable strategy is a shift for the Cavs that they’re nonetheless adapting to.
• The group continues to be determining its rotation and chemistry.
• Ty Jerome’s means to play a number of positions makes him a robust contender for the 11-man rotation, regardless of lacking 80 common season video games final yr.

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Ethan Sands

What up, Cavs Nation? I’m your host, Ethan Sands, and I’m again with one other episode of The Wine and Gold Discuss podcast. Becoming a member of me all the best way from Detroit. Chris Fedor, how are you doing, Chris, how was the journey as much as Detroit? And who did you get to speak to if you acquired to make your little journey up there?

Chris (00:29.314)

Man, I’m doing nice. I’ve loved my time right here in Detroit. Received in yesterday, acquired a pleasant meal. Awoke this morning, went for a stroll alongside the water. I’m mainly at a lodge. It’s the Basic Motors headquarters and there’s a lodge mainly on high of it. And this lodge overlooks the water and you’ll see proper to Canada. So proper throughout from me, very seen.

is Windsor. So if I had extra time this afternoon, I may have gone to Canada. Why not? That chance would have been there. I had my passport with me. However I’ve been having fun with my time in Detroit. That is the primary time, Ethan, that I’m staying on this specific lodge very near the water. More often than not after I’m right here, I’m nearer to the sector, nearer to Camerica Park, nearer to the buying.

Hudson yards that Dan Gilbert’s fingerprints are throughout with the revitalization of, downtown Detroit. however for the primary time I made a decision to remain at this lodge, as a result of the speed was rather more reasonably priced and the surroundings is simply spectacular. Like I stated, that stroll that I went on earlier this morning was completely fantastic. And folks have been simply sitting by the water staring into Canada, wanting on the, the Caesar’s on line casino. That’s proper throughout the water.

in Windsor. So I’ve loved my time right here in Detroit. It’s a pleasant and simple drive. I made it in what, like two hours and 10 minutes or one thing like

Ethan Sands (02:06.86)

You have been zooming, you have been zooming on the monitor. Okay, I wish to see it. We’ll get in.

Chris (02:08.558)

I used to be man. I had locations to be. I had dinner to go to.

Ethan Sands (02:15.726)

And we’ll get into that dinner and somewhat bit extra into Dan Gilbert and a few of the issues that the Cavs acquired to do After they have been in Detroit somewhat bit later, however we acquired to get into this ballgame, proper Detroit Pistons Cleveland Cavaliers third preseason sport of the season I imply, it’s actually actually attention-grabbing if you speak concerning the storylines which might be underlying this sport clearly, we all know it’s preseason so it’s

Not getting an excessive amount of taken under consideration primarily based on common season stuff arising, but it surely was the primary time that the Cavs acquired to see J.B. Bickerstaff in a distinct jersey, a distinct uniform, and totally different all these various things, logos, emblems, no matter you wish to name it. It was the primary time they acquired to see J.B. Bickerstaff in a distinct gentle. Chris, I do know you bought to go on this journey so you possibly can speak to J.B. so you possibly can watch him play with somewhat bit extra

of his schematics put into the Pistons. What did you are taking away thus far?

Chris (03:18.05)

My major takeaway is that this, Ethan, the Cavs and JB Bickerstaff are the place they need to be. I believe if you happen to look again at, at JB’s tenure with the Cavs, you possibly can’t inform that story with out speaking about his, his fingerprints being everywhere in the resurgence. as a result of on the time that he took over for John Beeline, who was fully misplaced within the NBA.

The group was not what it’s proper now. You understand, and it wasn’t solely a expertise infusion that allowed the Cavs to get so far the place they’re proper now, which is a reputable contending group within the Jap Convention. One of many 4 greatest groups in all probability within the Jap Convention, relying on the way you rank these. It was JB instilling a tradition. It was JB placing in a protection first id.

It was JB getting them to purchase in to the roles that they have been going to play within the resurgence of this group. was, you understand, JB and the issues that he preached each day, toughness, togetherness, competitiveness, sacrifice, all these various things have been paramount to the Cavs getting out of the rebuild. As a result of we’ve talked about this, Ethan. There are a whole lot of groups all through the course of NBA historical past.

that shift into these rebuilds and so they have a bunch of excessive draft picks and it might look like they proceed so as to add younger expertise. And guess what? They don’t ever make it out of that rebuild. They don’t get to the purpose the place the Cavs are at presently. So once more, I believe you hear appreciation from numerous gamers and members of the Cavs group during the last couple of days for what JB meant.

to get them to the purpose the place they’re proper now. They don’t do this with out JB. We are able to’t simply assume that they’d have carried out that with someone aside from JB as a result of we’ve seen different cases throughout the NBA that the incorrect coach in a rebuild doesn’t permit a group to get out of that rebuild and have a resurgence. So I believe there’s a degree of appreciation from

Chris (05:43.16)

numerous members of this group, together with the gamers, for what JB meant to their success over the previous 4 years. However I believe there’s additionally an understanding of, if we have been going to take the following step as a company, we have been going to wish someone who brings a distinct form of ability set, who brings totally different strengths to the desk. And to them, that’s Kenny Atkinson.

He’s extra fashionable together with his philosophies. He’s extra fashionable together with his ideas and his ideas. He’s seen as a greater X’s and O’s man, a greater tactician. So if you get right into a seven sport playoff sequence and selections have to return actually, actually fast and offense needs to be numerous and fewer predictable and all these various things that matter that may probably swing a sequence. The Cavs perception is that they’ve a greater man.

for the playoff chess match. In saying that, if you happen to flip it over to the opposite facet, what does Detroit want proper now? We’re not speaking about playoffs. We’re not speaking about 40 wins. We’re not speaking about 50 wins. They want someone who’s going to do the issues that J.B. Bicker employees has been nice at all through the course of his profession. Set up a tradition. Get these guys to purchase right into a sure model. I do know it’s simply pre-season.

And I do know that, you understand, the Cavs weren’t at their greatest tonight, Ethan, however these have been some feisty dudes on the market for the Pistons that have been enjoying actually, actually laborious. They have been preventing by screens that have been being actually handsy on protection and bodily on protection. So I’m not saying that JB goes to take the Pistons from the worst group within the NBA during the last two years and switch them right into a playoff group in a single day, however you possibly can see indicators.

of the issues that JB preaches and you’ll see the Detroit Pistons shopping for into these specific ideas. Have they got sufficient expertise for it to matter? We’ll simply have to attend and see. However I believe the issues that JB does nicely, the issues that JB does the perfect, that’s what Detroit wants. The areas the place he comes up quick, the perceived weaknesses of JB as a coach.

Chris (08:03.734)

Kenny Atkinson seemingly fills in these gaps. In order I stated, I believe JB is the place he must be. And I believe the Cavs are the place they need to be with a distinct coach, a distinct philosophy, extra fashionable ideas and ideas and all these sorts of issues.

Ethan Sands (08:23.458)

Yeah, and I imply, even JB Bickerstaff himself stated that the Detroit Pistons are a piece in progress. They won’t be a completed product and so they don’t count on to be, is a quote that he gave earlier this week, proper? He’s a man that is aware of what he’s working with, to be very frank. He is aware of that it is a youthful group that’s gotten veterans this season which might be gonna assist out. Tobias Herritt, Malik Beasley, these guys are gonna play their roles when they should, however…

It’s additionally mentioning this younger core of fellows that they’ve acquired to try to deliver collectively at the next caliber, greater degree. Chris, I needed to speak about these guys that they performed tonight, proper? The Cavs and Kenny Atkinson talked earlier than the sport about enjoying their starters a very good quantity, proper? And so they did. Majority of the starters performed 20 minutes or extra tonight. However for the Detroit Pistons, it was fairly the alternative.

their starters solely performed eight minutes for everything of the sport. Are you able to simply stroll by what you noticed and the way the Cavs form of adjusted their sport all through or in the event that they performed with the identical mindset that they’d getting into after they noticed the rotation shifting towards them?

Chris (09:40.03)

Initially, Ethan, I believe we are able to cease with one factor. This entire concept that some individuals have created of their thoughts that someone aside from Max Struz goes to start out at Small Ahead as a result of whichever fan it’s desires extra protection or extra dimension or a extra conventional Small Ahead or nevertheless you wish to phrase it. Get that out of your thoughts.

Max Struce goes to start out for this group at Small Ahead. Max Struce could be very, essential to the success of this group. Max Struce brings the beginning 5 collectively in a distinct form of manner than Karis Levert can. Or a distinct form of manner than Isaac Okoro can. So yeah, we are able to speak concerning the issues that Karis does nicely, and we are able to speak concerning the issues that Isaac Okoro does nicely. What this beginning group wants in the event that they’re gonna go together with Evan Mobley and Jared Allen, and they’re…

They’re dedicated to the 2 large lineup. Kenny Atkinson actually, actually likes the large lineup. That’s been the first focus all through the course of summer season camp, all through the course of coaching camp, all through their time collectively within the preseason. Within the first two preseason video games, the main target has been totally on the large lineup as a result of that’s how dedicated Kenny is to creating Jarrett and Evan work collectively. So if you happen to’re going to play these guys collectively and they’re,

You want someone with Max Drews’ ability set. That’s what brings that beginning 5 collectively. Motion, spacing, gravity, three-point taking pictures, quantity, the eye that he instructions, slicing, all these various things. There’s a cause why statistically Max Drews was one of the impactful gamers that the Cavs had final yr. As a result of the issues that he does nicely, that’s what this offense, that’s what this beginning lineup

wants. Although he didn’t shoot it in addition to perhaps he would wish to. Although he didn’t put up gaudy stats, he’s an impactful participant, particularly across the core 4. And look, you don’t wish to make an excessive amount of out of preseason or something alongside these strains, however you possibly can inform when Karis Laverde is in there or Isaac Kikoro is there flanking the core 4. It simply appears to be like totally different. Simply feels totally different.

Chris (12:03.5)

doesn’t have the identical offensive ceiling. It doesn’t have the identical variety offensively. There’s not the identical motion and all that form of stuff. So we are able to get that out of our head. If Max Struce is wholesome for October twenty third towards the Toronto Raptors and all of my sources say that he’s anticipated to be accessible on opening night time, though no person desires to say that as a result of he may have a setback and since we’re nonetheless per week away.

from the season opener, the idea is that Max goes to be within the lineup on opening night time. Identical factor in the case of Sam Merrill. The assumption is that he’s going to be wholesome sufficient to play on opening night time. And if this was the common season versus the preseason, the idea is from my sources that each guys could be within the lineup. So the Cavs are simply attempting to be cautious with each of them due to the calendar and the way favorable the calendar is for them.

However the different factor that stood out to me, Ethan, is that we all know the eleventh. Like, you don’t wish to make sweeping conclusions. You don’t wish to make declarations primarily based on the preseason. However the whole lot that Kenny Atkinson has stated, Ethan, during the last couple of days is, these last two preseason video games are going to be a tune-up for the common season. It’s going to provide me a possibility to essentially hone in on what the opening night time rotation goes to be.

I’m going to provide these guys the majority of the minutes. The 11 have been fairly clear within the first three quarters tonight towards Detroit. And I believe they’re going to be fairly clear within the first three quarters Friday night time towards the Chicago Bulls. The 2 guys that didn’t play tonight, Max Struce and Sam Merrill, after which the 9 that you’d most anticipate. The one query I believe we now have now, Ethan, in the case of the rotation is like, who’s 10, 11?

and who’s going to be the man the place their minutes fluctuate probably the most. And if I needed to guess proper now, there’s nonetheless some issues that I wish to work out. There’s nonetheless some questions that I wish to ask. However 10, 11 to me, if I needed to guess proper now, George Neang and Tyger.

Ethan Sands (14:21.582)

Yeah, and I imply, that’s one thing that we’ve form of been inching in direction of for an honest interval now as a result of Kenny Atkinson’s been form of saying he didn’t wish to give it away or saying he’s nonetheless working by it and all these kinds of issues. However I agree with you, Chris. Tonight was actually one of many larger moments to determine that 11. And I agree with you that Sam Mero and Max Truist are going to be in that. Clearly, Max Truist was out tonight with a proper hip contusion, Sam Mero with a sore proper wrist.

Two issues that we now have heard all through the day was that they’d good exercises in the present day. Perhaps not as a lot contact or no contact in any respect, however they have been getting in full pace reps and with the ability to do issues that they weren’t a few days in the past, particularly. So I believe it’s simply actually necessary to notice, particularly contact on what you stated. Max Deuce is a pivotal portion of this group, particularly of the beginning lineup, however he’s going to start out.

Like there’s not a query anymore, proper? And the opposite factor that I needed to the touch on briefly was how Ty Jerome and Dean Wade have performed out of the approaching off the bench and particularly with Dean Wade being a form of combine and match piece in the case of being a connector, proper? Kenny Atkinson talked about George Nguyen being a connector in a number of totally different sides and the way that’s occurred to me. Dean Wade is the glue for thus many alternative lineups that Kenny Atkinson goes to be utilizing, proper?

He’s going to be the foreman within the stretch lineup. He may very well be a in the event that they wish to put him on the small ahead for an enormous lineup, that may be an enormous line of six, 10, two, seven footers. Proper. After which you concentrate on simply the place he midges and matches in the case of the rotation items, particularly tonight. Dean Wade was one of many gamers that was in with the beginning group, technically, after which additionally with the bench rotation group. Proper. So what have you ever seen from each Ty

And from Dean Wade, for me, it actually does really feel like Ty Jerome goes to fill in when Donovan Mitchell doesn’t want or may want a arrange level guard, proper? As a result of we all know that he does higher with a desk setter and Ty Jerome is a move first level guard. And that helps out Donovan Mitchell in all of the units that they’re going to run as nicely. However he’s additionally proven that he’s been capable of shoot the ball, particularly tonight. That’s one thing that we acquired to see somewhat bit extra.

Chris (16:46.616)

Kenny Atkinson looks like in some methods, Ethan, Kenny Atkinson looks like me of the earlier two years in the case of speaking about Dean Wade. Like for the final two years, I’ve been attempting each manner potential and on as many alternative platforms as potential to sing the praises of Dean Wade, the basketball participant.

And that to me is what Kenny Atkinson is doing. Each time, like all form of dialog about Dean Wade comes, Kenny lights up. Tonight, pregame, I requested Kenny about the place he feels Dean matches greatest positionally for this group, as a result of I’m attempting to get an thought of he thinks he’s primarily a 4 man. If he does imagine he’s able to enjoying the three in sure lineups. He like beamed.

and stated, he can play two by 5, relying on the matchup, relying on the group that we’re enjoying towards. After which tonight we’re speaking to Kenny Postgame and Serena asks him a query concerning the run that the Cavs acquired off to a horrible begin tonight.

They simply didn’t have the vitality. They didn’t have the main target. have been throwing ball in all places. They couldn’t put the ball within the basket. They have been complaining to the referees continuously. So it simply wasn’t a very good efficiency throughout, particularly at the start of the primary quarter, the start of the third quarter. However on the finish of the primary quarter, they went on like a 20 to 5 run and Serena requested particularly concerning the 20 to 5 run and what went nicely throughout that stretch. What do suppose Kenny stated?

Dean Wade was on the market. That’s what he stated. He stated that second unit actually gave us enhance led by Dean Wade and Isaac Okora, but it surely was Dean particularly. I don’t know. I believe he was like a plus 16 throughout that stretch or one thing like that. So you would simply see the form of affect that Dean was making when he was on the market. And Kenny made positive to level it out. And I believe Kenny being an analytics man,

Chris (19:02.178)

Kenny being someone who makes a whole lot of selections primarily based on not simply what the numbers say, as a result of he’s going to go together with his intestine. He’s going to go together with his really feel, however he does lean into numbers much more than JB Bickerstaff did previously. And the numbers love Dean Wade as an affect defender, as an affect participant, as a web ranking kind man. So the whole lot says that the Cavs

are a really, excellent basketball group at each ends of the ground when Dean Wade is on the market. And each alternative that Kenny has gotten to speak concerning the depth of this group, the rotations, the bench, he has singled out Dean Wade. He has gassed him up, as the youngsters wish to say. So I believed it was fairly attention-grabbing to me that through the Cavs greatest stretch tonight,

Dean Wade was on the market and Kenny definitely seen and different individuals contained in the group seen that as nicely. With regards to Ty, wish to me, Ethan, a very powerful side of tonight’s sport for Ty was the truth that Kenny performed him alongside Darius and he performed him alongside Donovan. And we’ve talked about this numerous totally different instances on the podcast. Ty Jerome is a two place participant.

And that’s going to provide him a greater alternative to get constant enjoying time. And I do suppose Kenny likes the truth that that Ty can play the one or the 2. He can play on the ball off the ball. He can play with Darius with out Darius with Donovan.

with out Donovan and to me that was Kenny simply form of experimenting, tinkering, seeing the way it appears to be like with Donovan and Ty collectively, the way it appears to be like with Darius Ty collectively, what sorts of different items they would want in these sorts of lineups. So I do suppose the truth that Kenny did that tonight was very, very purposeful.

Ethan Sands (21:11.534)

bear in mind writing an article on the finish of final season the place it was like, if Dean Wade is wholesome, then this group can contend. And everyone jumped on my again was like, Dean Wade? Like he averages 5 factors a sport or no matter it was. And I used to be like, nicely, if you happen to take a look at the superior metrics and like all of those various things, and I do know individuals which might be gonna hear this podcast and say the identical factor.

He was one among three tonight. He had 5 factors. He had 5 rebounds and one help, one block and two fouls. However he was a plus 20. Like, he was a plus 20. And it is a dialog that we frequently have. I bear in mind final yr, I believe he like had a excessive of like a plus 34 or one thing. Like final yr, he didn’t have that nice of a stat line, but it surely’s the spacing, proper? It’s the defensive effort.

Chris (21:37.784)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (22:06.85)

The quantity of switching that I noticed with Isaac’s coral Dean manner whether or not it was Evan Moley or Jared Allen on the ground was Spectacular since you perceive they stated I don’t care who’s in entrance of me I can change them with D manner and really feel secure about doing it proper and the opposite gamers that had excessive plus minuses tonight when it got here to an evening that the Cavs seemed sloppy and enjoying towards like

Chris (22:22.124)

Pink.

Ethan Sands (22:34.498)

Chris stated after the sport, the Detroit Pistons JV group and nonetheless misplaced was Ty Jerome, who was plus 20 or plus 12. Sorry. He had eight factors and was simply two of three from the sphere and one among one from three level vary. Proper. Then from the starters, the one two those that have been within the constructive for plus minus was Jared Allen and Donovan Mitchell, and so they have been plus twos.

I imply, tonight it was very clear to me, proper? Jared Allen seemed like he was the perfect participant on the ground. He was capable of simply be environment friendly in the whole lot he was doing. He was a defensive monster. The one block that he had was only a knockout. After which clearly you might have Evan Mobley who has 4 blocks on the facet on a down night time in comparison with what we’ve been anticipating from him. However such as you don’t lose the defensive side. That’s the largest factor, proper? That’s what Kenny Higginson has been saying.

Chris (23:27.097)

Hmm.

Ethan Sands (23:32.734)

If the Cavs are going to be nice, they should lean on that defensive id. Positive. There have been spurts and all these various things the place the Detroit Pistons have been taking benefit and there have been some miscues on the defensive finish the place they acquired open pictures and nook threes and all these different issues. I do know Isaac Acora was sitting on the bench or or enjoying and like, dang, if I might have simply hit these open threes like they’re doing proper now. Woo. However I simply suppose this offense is constant to get its footing.

And like Chris stated at the start of the podcast, Max Drews on the market modifications the sport. And Caris LaVert can also be enjoying at a 3 and enjoying with the starters is totally totally different from the function that Caris LaVert has been used to. One, two, Caris LaVert stated final yr that he’s used to, comfy, and is proud of doing one thing constantly. That was being the sixth man for the cap.

This yr it may very well be somewhat totally different relying on how the rotations and issues go. However, Carouselvert, when he’s doing the identical factor again and again, that’s when he catches right into a rhythm. That’s when he will get into his consolation zone. Tonight, being thrown into the beginning lineup, Kenny Atkinson was like, we’re gonna see what you’re gonna do and we’ll go from there. However Chris, simply total, what are you taking away?

Chris (24:55.864)

So going again to Dean, the opposite factor that I wish to say on that is that, you understand, sooner or later, Ethan, it’s not a coincidence. It’s not a coincidence primarily based on how the Cavs play when Dean is on the market. And sooner or later, it’s not only a byproduct of him being lucky to play alongside sure lineups. You understand what I imply? Like sooner or later, it’s simply him and he’s an impactful dude. And it’s laborious for individuals to see it.

as a result of they take a look at the field rating and so they’re like, what the hell did he do tonight? You understand what saying? However like everyone has a distinct function on this group and Dean performs to his function very, very nicely. You understand, my major takeaway tonight, Ethan, was largely concerning the rotation coming into focus. And I additionally thought it was comparatively telling and look, I do know that they simply had to make use of sure guys to complete out video games or no matter.

However I believed it was comparatively telling that George Niang was on the market with the Cleveland cost. He was on the market with Craig Porter Jr. He was on the market with JT Thor, Luke Travers, Jalen Tyson, guys who may definitely spend a while with the Cleveland cost. JT Thor and Luke Travers on two-way contracts.

Jalen Tyson, someone who Kenny Atkinson has talked about, look, if there’s not a pathway to constant enjoying time for him, that’s one thing that we’re going to contemplate. and, Jalen Tyson, you understand, in the case of significant preseason minutes, this, this within the first three video games, he simply hasn’t gotten them. So it tells me that even if the Cavs like Tyson, they drafted him twentieth total for a cause.

Although Kenny Atkinson and different teammates have talked concerning the constructive first impression that Jalen has made all through the course of coaching camp and when he’s gotten a much bigger alternative, he’s taken benefit of it. Regardless of these issues.

Chris (27:05.6)

It simply looks like there’s extra consolation with the extra identified commodities that exist already on this roster versus Jalen as a result of he simply hasn’t gotten the significant minutes that time to him being a part of this rotation on opening night time. And once more, we’ve talked about this. He can play himself into the rotation. Issues can occur all through the course of the season.

that give him a possibility and he may capitalize it, capitalize on it. And he may, you understand, begin slicing into the enjoying time of, someone who’s going to be within the 10, 11 man rotation on opening night time. However it simply doesn’t really feel seemingly in the case of, to Jaylen, regardless of how nicely he has carried out at numerous factors. He’s a rookie. He’s caught in a numbers sport. And he’s on a group.

that’s coming off an Jap Convention semi-finals look that introduced again 13 of the 14 NBA gamers from that exact roster. It’s simply going to be laborious for him in such a brief time period, this early in his profession, to make his mark within the NBA. So these have been my major takeaways from tonight. Like I don’t wish to get caught up within the turnovers and…

you understand, a few of the different sloppiness that we noticed from this group, as a result of I believe a few of that, Ethan, you possibly can simply chalk as much as it’s preseason sport quantity three. These guys are prepared for the common season. They acquired to play higher. they acquired to have extra focus, extra consideration to element, all these various things. However, however I simply, I don’t get caught up in last outcomes and scores this time of yr. Though and three within the pre-season just isn’t actually the best way that Kenny Atkinson in all probability desires to start out.

is tenure with the Cavs.

Ethan Sands (29:04.738)

I imply, in no way, in no way, proper? I imply, for me, it was simply humorous to me how the Detroit Pistons performed, proper? The up temple model, like spreading the ground, getting the ball up the court docket rapidly and taking nook threes. Tobias Harris, I believe had two threes to open up the sport. They have been like so fast and so early within the shot clock. I used to be like, is that this the Cavs being out?

performed by their new system higher than they’re enjoying presently? Like clearly they’re nonetheless engaged on it, nonetheless attending to know the system, all these various things. It’s simply wanting on the little issues that we are able to level out too. However I needed to get again to 1 fast factor earlier than we wrapped up, proper? We wanna see what Isaac Okoro goes to do. We wanna see what Ty Jerome is gonna do.

We wish to see what Craig Porter Jr. goes to do, however we’re speaking somewhat bit concerning the form of controversies that we’ve heard from our subscribers, from our followers, and all these different issues. Jaylen Tyson as nicely is on this dialog. JT, Jaylen Tyson, and Craig Porter Jr. have proven somewhat bit over the preseason that they could be urgent somewhat bit, proper? Once you’re attempting to earn a spot.

slightly than when Craig Porter Jr. final yr was not anticipating to get minutes, was anticipated to spend time within the G League on a two-way contract, then earn a normal contract within the NBA. He appears to be like like he’s attempting to earn that spot and say that I’m ok to be the backup level guard, proper? It feels to me that he’s been urgent just a bit bit. Jalen Tyson, there’s moments that you just see that as nicely, proper? Jalen Tyson within the first two video games was the main rebounder, proper?

Chris (30:33.379)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (30:56.396)

one thing that he’s been heartbroken and say that he’s going to deliver from his faculty days to the NBA, he’s carried out that. However in the case of scoring the basketball, one thing that he was so good at it, Cal, it looks like he’s urgent. Like, I bear in mind the primary sport in preseason, you would see how laborious he was attempting to get his first NBA bucket within the preseason, proper? That’s form of carried over when the offense hasn’t performed to his liking through the preseason.

when he’s been operating with these rotation guys. So I believe you talked about the Dane Tyson piece. For me, it’s the Craig Porter Jr. piece. I do know I used to be so excessive on him final yr due to how he performed, due to what he earned his spot. However this yr, it actually does really feel like he’s going to should take a again seat, extra so a task that he may need had final yr that he acquired pushed ahead to the highest of one thing on the backcourt in the case of the backup rotation.

However I simply suppose this group goes to should determine itself out and goes to proceed to find out about itself all through the common season. So issues can change, however the conversations of Craig Porter Jr. must be the backup level guard as a result of he’s been right here somewhat bit longer than Ty Jerome. Don’t actually sit nicely with me, proper? The offense that they’re operating, the protection, like Chris stated, with the ability to play two positions slightly than Craig Porter Jr. simply being a degree guard. These are going to harm.

Craig Porter Jr.’s possibilities of with the ability to get extra minutes. However we’ll should see what Kenny Atkinson thinks and if he’ll have the ability to get minutes relying on no matter occurs all through the season.

Chris (32:37.218)

Right here’s the first downside that I believe Craig has in the case of this present roster make-up. There’s a perception that the Cavs don’t want a backup level guard from the outset. Look, if one thing occurs, Darius Garland fractures his jaw, Donovan Mitchell is coping with knee points, regardless of the case could also be. In the event that they get right into a scenario the place the established order modifications, all proper. However coming into the yr,

There’s a perception that they don’t want a backup level guard. Even Ty Jerome. They don’t technically want him. They like him. They like his match subsequent to Darius, subsequent to Donovan. He has the dimensions to play the 2. has sufficient versatility and the form of ability set that enables him to higher play off the ball than someone like Craig. Particularly in the case of Ty as a succesful outdoors shooter and a menace.

You understand, in the case of Craig Porter Jr. So many of those defenders are simply going to go underneath screens and sag off of him and stuff. He’s not the identical form of menace that Ty is. However, the first downside is that the best way that the Cavs roster is constructed, they’ll play Donovan Mitchell at backup level guard.

Chris (33:58.094)

He can run the second unit. No downside operating the second unit. So just like the factor that theoretically Craig Porter Jr. is on the roster for the Cavs simply produce other extra succesful choices than him. And it doesn’t imply that he’s a nasty participant. And it doesn’t imply that that he shouldn’t get enjoying time sooner or later throughout an 82 sport common season. However we’re speaking about opening night time, October twenty third towards the Raptors.

The Cavs may go into that sport and say, you understand what, we’re simply going to stagger Donovan and Darius. We’re going to maintain a type of guys on the ground always. And whoever occurs to be on the ground goes to run level guard. And never each group is constructed like that. Proper. However, however the Cavs are, I had one member of the group say to me earlier in the present day, they’re like, we really feel fairly good about 4 or 5 operating the present. If that’s what it needs to be. And rightfully so.

You understand, so many individuals speak about final yr, Ethan, and so they speak about, you understand, the run that the Cavs went on when Darius was injured and Evan was injured. And so they speak about how good the offense seemed with Donovan operating the present.

If that’s the case, if that’s how you are feeling about it, then it is smart that the calves would in all probability really feel fairly much like that manner as nicely.

Ethan Sands (35:24.456)

And we’re nonetheless per week away from the common season kickoff, tipoff, no matter you wish to name it, proper? And it is a group that also has a final preseason sport towards the Chicago Bulls in Chicago on Friday, however there’s nonetheless extra to be taught, proper? They’re not urgent, proper? They wish to be enjoying common season basketball. That’s the place we’re attending to, Chris. And I don’t learn about you,

can sense it with this group somewhat bit that they wish to be enjoying common season basketball. I’m prepared for the common season to tip off too. Able to get going. However we’ll simply have to attend a pair extra days. Seven to be precise. However with that being stated.

Chris (35:54.094)

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Chris (36:06.294)

Yeah, additionally they have some issues that they acquired to determine to Ethan. imply, so most of the gamers talked about it following tonight’s sport towards Detroit, the unfold lineup that they use tonight within the preseason the place they went with Evan Mobley by himself at heart surrounded by 4 guys or Jared Allen by himself at heart surrounded by 4 guys. Darius stated earlier tonight, that was the primary time that the Cavs used it. That individual lineup.

They talked about it. That they had mentioned it amongst coaches about the way it was going to look and what elements have been wanted and issues like that. However in a sport scenario, that was not utilized in sport one. That was not utilized in preseason sport two. That was not used within the inter squad scrimmage that they did the opposite day. That was not utilized in a whole lot of this stuff that they’ve carried out behind the scenes all through the course of coaching camp.

So a few of the lineups that they use tonight within the third preseason sport, it was the primary time that they really use them. So there are some issues that they’ve to determine inside these. There’s some chemistry that they should proceed to realize. There’s some understanding about how gamers match with each other in a few of these totally different appears to be like. So the extra time you get on the ground, the extra you possibly can workshop these issues, work out what works, what doesn’t work and get extra solutions heading into October twenty third.

that’s going to be a very good factor. So yeah, I imply, I believe mentally they’re in all probability sitting right here saying, deliver on the common season. But when we’re being sincere about it, the issues that they nonetheless must work by as a group and a few of the issues that they have been saying within the locker room after tonight’s sport, they might undoubtedly use Friday. Will probably be useful for them.

Ethan Sands (37:58.326)

And I believe that not solely preseason, proper? The early common season. Kenny Atkinson has additionally talked about it being a course of, getting adjusted. They are going to use the primary couple of video games to get adjusted to determine one another out. And particularly if Max Truce isn’t capable of play in Friday’s final preseason sport, he’ll should get reacclimated as nicely. So we’ll simply have to attend and see what they do and the way they play, particularly towards the Bulls. However even going ahead, wanting on the Toronto Raptors,

Chris (38:04.109)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (38:28.288)

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