Reacting to the Cavs’ third straight come from behind win: Is that this behavior starting to grow to be an issue? — Wine and Gold Speak podcast

Takeaways:

• The Cavs have developed a behavior of sluggish begins that wants addressing.
• Accountability amongst gamers is essential for sustaining efficiency requirements.
• The group’s means to beat deficits exhibits their development from final season.
• Statistical achievements spotlight the Cavs’ dominance within the league.
• Depth within the roster permits for strategic participant administration and relaxation.
• Particular person performances, like Jared Allen’s, are key to group success.
• Teaching methods have developed, permitting for in-game changes.
• The Sixth Man of the Yr race is aggressive, with Cavs gamers in competition.
• Sustaining concentrate on championship aspirations is important for the group’s mindset.

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Ethan Sands

What up, Cavs Nation? I’m your host, Ethan Sands, and I’m again with one other episode of the Wine and Gold Speak Podcast. And becoming a member of me on right this moment’s episode, Chris Fedor in Chicago after the Cavs’ newest win, the place they introduced residence a 139-117 victory because of a fourth quarter-cavalanche.

That was throughout a recreation that was tied with seven minutes left within the fourth quarter and the Cavs closed on a 32-10 run. They’ve now gained 11 straight video games for the third time this season. They’re 51-10. Chris, I needed to take care of the final two days being, or the Portland Path Blazers recreation primarily, once they have been down by 18.

Boston, Southlake, have been you in Boston? They have been down by 22. What’s going on with this group? The Cavs have been down by as many as 15 at one level on this recreation in opposition to the Chicago Bulls that had 10 gamers on their harm report once they initially got here out. What’s happening?

Chris (01:20.696)

It’s not good. Donovan Mitchell referred to as it unacceptable. Kenny Atkinson mentioned, now we have to be actually, actually cautious. I requested Kenny after the sport, I mentioned, is it too quickly? Is there sufficient of a pattern measurement to say that it is a dangerous behavior that you simply guys have developed? I requested Jared Allen the identical factor. And so they did say, they mentioned it’s a foul behavior and we’ve acquired to interrupt it. They didn’t go into the locker room and rejoice their eleventh straight win.

They went within the locker room and so they talked to one another about methods to get off to higher begins. They held one another accountable. The starter mentioned that they didn’t do a adequate job of bringing the power, bringing the hassle. Within the phrases of Kenny Atkinson, Ethan, they have been sleepwalking by way of three quarters. And also you’ve seen that the final couple of video games. And Donovan even mentioned it after the sport. mentioned, Hey, look, like we’re in a position to overcome this stuff as a result of we’re actually, actually gifted.

and we will lock in on each ends of the ground after we completely have to. However these sorts of issues are going to chunk us if we don’t repair it. So that is one thing else that the calves need to take care of right here down the stretch of the season. That is, I don’t wish to classify it as an issue, however during the last week or so, it has been an issue and it’s level of emphasis primary.

going into tomorrow’s recreation in opposition to the Miami Warmth is bringing the power, bringing the hassle, bringing the eye to element from the very starting. As a result of once more, you will get away with it in opposition to Portland and you will get away with it in opposition to Chicago and in opposition to a Boston group that didn’t have two starters. Apparently you will get away with it in opposition to that group of Celtics as effectively. However these are the sorts of issues that the Cavs wish to keep away from.

The entire aim right here is determining methods to construct championship habits behind the scenes. And Kenny Atkinson mentioned for the group that has one of the best report within the NBA, like this shouldn’t be a part of their identification. And they also’re seeking to attempt to treatment it as finest they’ll.

Ethan Sands (03:36.879)

And Chris, I wish to preface this by saying that the Cavs, although the sport was tied with below seven minutes left, got here out in a single by 20 plus factors, proper? That could be a nice testomony to the offense that they’ve and the protection that they’ll faucet into and the general depth of the roster, we knew a majority of the starters didn’t play for the fourth quarter, all these various things. However the actuality of the state of affairs is

Chris (03:47.672)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (04:05.837)

is that this group would have misplaced the final three video games final yr. We wouldn’t be speaking about an 11 recreation win streak. We’d be speaking a couple of three recreation dropping streak, proper? Towards Portland, in opposition to Chicago, in opposition to Boston. And that’s the change that has occurred over the yr that I’ve been on this beat, Chris. We went from speaking a couple of group that was not able to enjoying with their meals, was not able to seeing a deficit and coming again for

Chris (04:25.784)

Okay.

Ethan Sands (04:35.385)

It was extra seemingly that they’d have a big lead after which piss it down the bathroom as a result of they’d not have the ability to maintain the extent of greatness that they have been in a position to play at. This yr is the exact opposite. They performed with their meals and an abundance this yr. We talked lots about how they haven’t failed for monitor video games. Properly, they haven’t fell for them for all 48 minutes. They fell for them for 36 and a majority of those contests. And this final week,

Chris (04:40.547)

Yeah.

Chris (05:00.397)

Proper.

Ethan Sands (05:04.943)

has been an excellent instance. And I do know that the Cavs followers are gonna get upset with me for saying that you simply’re not speaking concerning the profitable facet, you’re not speaking about all these different issues. However as Chris talked about, that is Portland, that is Chicago, that is the Chicago Bulls group, however I don’t know if they’ve Lonzo Ball and Zach Levine from a few weeks in the past and IO and all these different gamers like on the ground, it is a completely different recreation fully and it’s nonetheless the Chicago Bulls, proper?

Chris (05:19.501)

Yeah.

Chris (05:33.133)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (05:33.157)

So I don’t know, Chris, I agree with the followers, with the Cavs gamers and saying that it is a downside that they have to be addressed, however I don’t wish to blow it out of proportion in saying that that is one thing that they’ll’t deal with as a result of we all know this Cavs group, in the event that they hone in on one space, and it’s actually like one to a few areas most at a time, this group can change that dynamic as we noticed with the protection, particularly in February at

Chris (05:56.173)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (06:02.543)

the drop of a hat.

Chris (06:04.844)

Yeah, but when we’re simply speaking about tonight’s efficiency, particularly tonight’s efficiency, not adequate, less than the cap requirements, not the sort of play that you’d anticipate from the group with one of the best report within the NBA, not the sort of play that you’d anticipate from a group that has championship aspirations. And while you begin to see like a adverse pattern growing, you wish to do your finest as a corporation.

to cut that off earlier than it turns into a quote unquote downside. You recognize, so I believe three video games is sufficient of happening early. They trailed for 21 of the 24 first half minutes. It was very, very comparable in opposition to Boston. It was comparable in opposition to Portland. Like, that’s less than their very own normal. They maintain themselves to the next normal. And I believe you noticed proof of that.

because the season has gone on and I believe, , in case you have been within the locker room tonight following the sport in opposition to Chicago, you noticed proof of it as effectively. It simply goes to point out although, Ethan, that, , they win by 22, they rating 139, they rating 32 factors within the remaining seven minutes and so they’re not happy. And that goes to point out you that their focus is in the best approach. Like their focus is the place it must be.

They perceive how tough it’s going to be to win a championship. And so they perceive the issues that it’s important to do each day. They perceive the usual that they’ve to carry themselves to each single night time that they play. So when you will have a group that simply gained its eleventh straight recreation and gained by 22 factors and practically scored 140 factors, , for them to be upset with their efficiency,

exhibits that they’ve the best mentality. They’re excited about the best issues. They’re specializing in the best issues as a result of that was not a celebratory locker room. Not at first anyway. You recognize, because it sort of went on, , you had the fellows cracking jokes and hooting and hollering and screaming and all these various things. The stuff that occurs principally each single night time within the Cavs locker room. However first it was let’s discuss enterprise.

Chris (08:29.952)

Let’s maintain each other accountable. So yeah, I imply, I believe there have been particular person performances on this recreation that have been actually, actually promising from the Cavs. Jared Allen was dominant. 25 factors, 17 rebounds. Ty Jerome offered a carry off the bench. He was in a position to get himself to the free throw line. Isaac Okoro, Dean Wade, Javante Inexperienced. They confirmed the sort of athleticism. Chicago.

Perhaps Chicago goes to be the Cavs first spherical playoff opponent. Who is aware of? However Chicago is nothing. Like they’re a no one group. And so they have been lacking six guys tonight. Actually essential guys too. So that you don’t actually have to consider Chicago, however stylistically, they’re lengthy, they’re athletic, they house you out, they shoot threes, they play quick.

Stylistically, it’s the sort of group that the Cavs have had issues with all through the course of this yr. That stage of athleticism. However guess what? They’ve Deandre Hunter now. They’ve Gervonta Inexperienced, who was actually, actually good for the Cavs. And it simply provides them extra choices. On an evening that they didn’t have Evan Mobley, on an evening that they wanted slightly little bit of one thing from Isaac Okoro and slightly little bit of one thing from Gervonta Inexperienced.

simply to match the fashion of Chicago. They’re in a position to go to their bench and people guys are in a position to come off the bench and be productive. So it wasn’t an excellent general efficiency, however I assumed there have been particular person performances that have been constructive from a Cavs standpoint. And on the finish of the day, this was one other instance of simply how a lot depth has been added to this group during the last yr, yr and a half.

Ethan Sands (10:27.377)

Alright Chris, I wish to get into a number of the general stats earlier than we break down the person performances that you simply sort of acquired into there. Clearly, the most important stat of all of them, 51-10, finest report within the NBA. Cleveland scored 43 factors within the fourth quarter, as we talked about, which is tied for his or her second most in a remaining interval this season. Their highest is 47 factors on January twenty fifth in opposition to Houston.

Rockets. You additionally have a look at how they fared on the highway this season. They’re 23-6 on the highway, which is one of the best within the NBA. Their sixteenth win by 20 or extra factors with most in NBA and group single season historical past. That is their 18th recreation with 130 extra or extra factors tied for probably the most in NBA and group single season report. Additionally, we perceive

that it is a group that’s coming off one other extraordinarily essential win. However not solely to say this, it’s much more essential due to the sport that’s developing tomorrow in Cleveland in opposition to Miami, as they’ve the prospect in early March to be the primary group within the NBA to clinch a playoff berth, not simply the postseason playoff berth, which implies high six.

Chris (11:51.66)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (11:55.961)

within the Jap Convention. And Chris, we wish to get into the person performances, however with the ability to clinch a playoff berth probably on Wednesday in Rocket Enviornment with their followers, how essential do you assume that’s and the way a lot of a leap do you assume that exhibits this chaos group has made out of final yr or your entirety of protecting them for the reason that LeBron period in Cleveland ended?

to the place we are actually.

Chris (12:27.458)

I imply, I don’t assume it’s that large of a deal. And I believe that exhibits how far this group has come. And I believe that exhibits simply how a lot the usual has been raised right here. As a result of yeah, I imply, it’s a factor, similar to this 11 recreation profitable streak is a factor, similar to, , three separate, no less than 10 recreation profitable streaks. That’s a factor too. However for the Cavs, it’s all about profitable a championship. It’s all about hanging one other banner.

and yeah, like a part of that course of is get to the playoffs, get a locked in playoff spot. You recognize, if something, Ethan, with the ability to, , solidify a playoff spot and create a lot distance between them and the Celtics, them and the Knicks, them and each different group within the Jap Convention. It simply permits them to function in what’s going to be a grueling march.

In the best way that you’d wish to function as a corporation that has an enormous image plan. So like, look what’s occurring across the NBA. You recognize, during the last couple of weeks of the season, Kyrie Irving has been one of many highest minute gamers in your entire league. The burden that was thrown on him because of Dallas buying and selling away Luka Doncic, the duty that he had, he simply couldn’t

His physique couldn’t maintain up. Like they have been asking an excessive amount of of him and he tore his ACL. And while you speak about accidents, yeah, large a part of it’s luck or dangerous luck on this case. But it surely’s additionally like how a lot put on and tear a man has to take care of all through the course of the common season. How a lot workload he has through the common season. What number of minutes he performs through the common season.

And in case you have a look at one other man, it’s Tyrese Maxey. He’s been coping with this finger situation, however regardless of coping with the finger situation, he’s enjoying near 40 minutes. And now rapidly he’s out with a again situation. So it’s like, in case you’re going to play excessive minutes, it’s going to catch as much as you. Donovan Mitchell about it final yr. So, know, the Cavs coming into the season and so they’ve acquired this large image plan and so they’re like, look, we’re going to do all the things that we will.

Chris (14:53.154)

to ensure our predominant guys are in one of the best bodily and psychological situation that they are often in going into the playoffs. We wish Donovan Mitchell to be in higher form than what he was going into final yr’s playoffs. So I believe it permits them, due to this cushion that they’ve constructed, it permits them, March is hard. Man, there’s 16 video games in 30 days. 10 of these are on the highway.

So it simply permits them to get these random relaxation nights for Donovan. Random relaxation nights for Evan Mobley. Evan wasn’t even in Chicago tonight. He’s again in Cleveland ready for tomorrow’s recreation in opposition to Miami. Proper? I’d assume that Max might be going to get a relaxation night time down the stretch. He has his ankle wrapped continually when he’s on the bench. He’s acquired a heating pad round it. Deandre Hunter may get a relaxation night time. You recognize what I imply? As a result of it’s all concerning the large image with this group.

And in case you’re not chasing wins, in case you’re not chasing seeding, in case you’re not making an attempt to climb the standings, then you definitely’re in a position to take these liberties relating to the grueling schedule that it’s important to take care of. So prepare for DNP relaxation. You recognize, principally I’d say the remainder of the best way for the calves, simply discovering spots. It doesn’t need to be consecutively.

however discovering spots within the schedule that take advantage of sense to attempt to get these guys slightly little bit of downtime and provides their our bodies further time to get better and never put as many miles on these tires and never ask them to hold a lot of a burden. And when you will have the depth that the calves do and you’ve got the cushion that they’ve at this time limit and the truth that they’re going to lock up a playoff spot within the close to future.

Um, it simply provides them a bonus that New York can’t do that. New York’s acquired to play all their guys. You recognize, Detroit actually can’t try this. Detroit’s making an attempt to hold on to the ultimate locked in playoff spot. Miami can’t actually try this essentially. You recognize, Miami’s making an attempt to combat for a type of high six spots within the Jap Convention. So it’s only a actually good state of affairs.

Chris (17:19.864)

that the calves have put themselves in all with one aim in.

Ethan Sands (17:25.849)

And Chris, I believe that’s an excellent level due to not solely the minute allocation that’s been one thing that Kenny Atkinson and all people has talked about for the reason that very starting of the season, for the reason that starting acquired the job, proper? And now we have a look at right this moment’s recreation and there have been solely two gamers that performed half-hour, proper? For the Cleveland Cavaliers, Jared Allen and Darius Garland. And we’ve seen.

Chris (17:39.222)

Mm-hmm.

Chris (17:45.026)

Proper.

Chris (17:49.56)

By 10 seconds, they performed half-hour.

Ethan Sands (17:51.921)

Come on, like that’s what I’m saying. And it’s not like, my favourite factor is making an attempt to determine after video games how a lot we’re gonna spherical up. Like how are you gonna spherical up the 29 to 30 or no matter. It’s like half-hour and 10 seconds. I recognize that. Don’t need to do no sort of math on my finish. I have a look at it and I get the spew nonsense, proper? However Donovan Mitchell performed 28 minutes, rounded up. Max Struz, 25 minutes, rounded up. Deandre Hunter, 24 minutes, like.

Chris (17:59.66)

Yeah, yeah.

Chris (18:06.19)

Yeah.

Chris (18:20.771)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (18:20.889)

These are probably the most used gamers on this group and so they’re nowhere close to a number of the different minutes that we talked about. Jalen Brunson, OGN and Nobier guys, Tyrese Maxey, Josh Hart, course, Mikael Bridges. Clearly I’m naming a variety of Knicks gamers as a result of these are the fellows which have been enjoying probably the most minutes this season. Thanks, Tom Thibodeau. However I don’t know if we will go previous this and proceed to speak about it. And I like

Chris (18:31.629)

Yeah.

Chris (18:41.302)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (18:50.769)

Highlighting the fellows that don’t get a variety of shine particularly on a group that’s 51 and 10 It feels laborious to do this, however Jared Allen’s a type of gamers, proper? Jared Allen is a man that doesn’t get a complete lot of affection however this season there’s been two guys to report 20 or extra factors 15 or extra rebounds 90 or 90 % or from the sector or higher in a recreation the season Jared Allen Evan Mobley after which there was this different ridiculous stat that I noticed posted by CavsNotes

Chris (18:59.372)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (19:20.427)

on ex-formerly Twitter, saying that tonight, Jared Allen joined Wilt Chamberlain as the one gamers in NBA historical past to have three or extra video games with 25 factors or extra, 15 rebounds or extra, and shoot 90 % from the sector. Jared Allen’s carried out it 3 times in his profession, 2021 in opposition to the OKC Thunder, 2021 in opposition to the Houston Rockets, and tonight in opposition to the Chicago Bulls. So I believe…

Chris (19:27.768)

Good.

Ethan Sands (19:48.899)

You simply speak about a man that and I wish to get into the behind the scenes of it as a result of clearly that’s what this podcast is finest at particularly since we do have the person the parable the legend Chris Feanor with us Chris I heard by way of the grapevine that Donovan Mitchell may need plugged one thing in Jared Allen’s ear To get him to play to a distinct normal to a distinct stage. We all know each time you ask Jared Ali says I attempt to play laborious each night time

Chris (20:07.499)

Thanks.

Chris (20:16.782)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (20:16.785)

However for some explicit purpose, not only a double double was on his thoughts tonight. 15 and 15, 20 and 20 have been on his thoughts. What have you learnt about all

Chris (20:27.32)

Properly, Donovan is simply someone who has discovered methods to get by way of to Jarrett and the message that Donovan delivers to Jarrett, oftentimes it resonates as a result of he simply is aware of methods to discuss to him and so they’ve constructed that sort of relationship. So, Donovan acknowledged the benefit that Jarrett had inside going into tonight’s recreation. Vuchovich didn’t play, it was Zach Collins. It was, at occasions, Matas Bouzelis on switches.

It was Jalen Smith. So benefit Jared Allen. If he’s probably the greatest facilities within the Jap Convention and he’s, this was going to be a positive matchup for him. And on an evening that the Cavs didn’t have Evan Mobley, as a result of he was resting, , a variety of the defensive duty was going to fall on Jared. Defending the paint, defending the rim, doing all of the issues that make Evan Mobley a defensive participant of the yr entrance runner.

that duty was going to fall on Jarrett. know, ending defensive possessions with the rebound, that was going to fall on Jarrett. Being extra of a focus on the offensive finish of the ground and having the next utilization ranking as a result of, , the third main scorer wasn’t on the market. That was going to fall extra on Jarrett. So Donovan simply knew what sort of recreation it was going to be. And he mentioned to Jarrett, and he mentioned, how about 15 and 15? How about 20 and 20?

Hell, how about 25 and 25? Like simply difficult him to be one of the best model of himself, difficult him to carry it to a distinct sort of stage than what the Cavs have wanted, particularly on the offensive finish of the ground. As a result of I believe the Cavs additionally acknowledged that Chicago was going to defend them a sure sort of approach. And people pocket passes have been going to be there.

And it was going to be as much as Jarrett to make these floaters, make these finishes across the rim, know, work his method to the free throw line and all these sorts of issues. And credit score to Jarrett. He answered that. He scored 9 factors within the fourth quarter. He was instrumental in principally waking the group up within the fourth quarter. He was pounding his chest and he was roaring on the high of his lungs. and that’s the sort of man that, ,

Chris (22:48.354)

Donovan challenged him to be earlier than the sport even began. And you might see that Jarrett responded to that. And I requested Jarrett, mentioned, like, what’s it about Donovan that, , permits him to get by way of to you in a sure sort of approach? And Jarrett mentioned probably the most Jarrett factor conceivable. mentioned, you Donovan’s only a nice man and I like him lots.

So I suppose all it takes is being a very, actually good teammate and being an excellent man to get by way of to Jarrett. And Jarrett even made a degree. He was like, to not say that Kenny Atkinson’s not, however it was humorous. But it surely was an excellent recreation by Jarrett. And people are the sorts of video games that you simply want from him when Evan Mobley’s not on the market.

Ethan Sands (23:40.369)

And a shout out to Max Schruess, proper? 5 assists plus 26. We perceive that he most likely exterior of Donovan and Darius, clearly, however he most likely has one of the best chemistry relating to that decide and roll, decide and pop state of affairs with the 2 bigs, Evan Mobley and Jared Allen. He had 5 assists tonight. He was a plus 26 on the ground. And he was simply getting up and down and doing what Max Schruess does, inflicting chaos and being chaotic, although

He solely ended the sport with 11 factors. However that’s the sort of productiveness that you simply want from guys like Max’s, figuring out their position, but in addition with the ability to trigger, use your gravity that you have already got connected to you and make the most of that to not solely create house for your self, but in addition for the massive man and figuring out that it’s important to focus in on Jared, particularly when Evan’s not on the market.

Chris (24:36.878)

I imply, I believe it exhibits a variety of stuff from the Cavs, Ethan, as a result of Deandre Hunter simply didn’t have it tonight. You recognize, it appeared like he was a step or two sluggish. I watched his pregame exercise and he wasn’t making practically as many pictures as what I’ve seen from him. A lot of the occasions he simply goes on the market and he does a pregame exercise or he does a publish shoot round exercise and the dude similar to doesn’t miss.

in any respect in any respect. However like, , he had an off night time. He simply wasn’t nice. But it surely exhibits that Kenny doesn’t need to push it. You recognize what I imply? As a result of there are different guys that he trusts, there are different guys that he believes in, and there are different guys which have confirmed themselves worthy of getting minutes. So on an evening that DeAndre simply doesn’t have it, he was the one starter to attain in single digits.

You recognize, what a luxurious it’s for someone like Kenny Atkinson to only mud off Jovante Inexperienced, who began practically half the video games for the New Orleans Pelicans this season. And Jovante supplies a spark coming off the bench. 11 factors, 4 or 5 from the sector, two of three from three level vary, energetic on the glass, within the passing lanes, , making good choices when he had the ball in his arms. After which.

You recognize, you’ve acquired Isaac Ikoro who made some issues occur whereas he was on the market as effectively. So it simply goes to point out like all of the completely different choices for Kenny that he has. And it exhibits the depth of this group that, , perhaps in one other state of affairs, a group simply would have stored pushing De’Andre and they’d have simply

put him on the market at the beginning of the fourth quarter or one thing alongside these traces and so they most likely would have gotten his workload up near half-hour as a result of like that’s what’s been occurring and that’s the sort of participant that he’s however on this group you don’t need to push it that sort of approach you possibly can learn the room you possibly can learn the sport and you may say to your self actually Deandre doesn’t have it tonight he’s not at its finest how about Gimonti?

Chris (26:58.11)

DeAndre doesn’t have it tonight. He’s not at his finest. Let’s lean extra into Max Druse. You recognize, perhaps the opposite recreation in opposition to Boston that was a DeAndre recreation. It wasn’t a Max Druse recreation, however this one feels extra like a Max Druse recreation as a result of the issues that he’s doing are serving to us greater than what DeAndre is doing. Or perhaps that is an Isaac Okoro recreation as an alternative of DeAndre. After which…

You recognize, this all goes again to those guys settle for these issues. Jared Allen didn’t end video games and again to again for the Cavs, proper? Two in a row. And it appeared like we have been headed down a path the place Jared was simply going to have to just accept that. He didn’t pout. He didn’t present any situation with that. He will get a much bigger alternative tonight with Evan Mobley again in Cleveland.

And Jarrett simply does what Jarrett does. You recognize what saying? So like there’s a collective buy-in with this complete group, with all people on this roster, that it’s simply, when your quantity’s referred to as, attempt to profit from that chance. And it’s all for the higher good. And generally relating to profitable a championship, it means sacrificing, sacrificing minutes, sacrificing pictures, sacrificing roles.

And , Deandre’s not going to have an evening like this on a regular basis, however when he does to have extra playable wings at your disposal that you simply don’t have to push it with Deandre, I believe that was.

I believe that was one thing that was fairly essential out of tonight’s recreation.

Ethan Sands (28:46.315)

in-game changes, Chris, one thing that we raved about when wanting into the potential candidates for the subsequent head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers and Kenny Atkinson turned an possibility, proper? And this isn’t to bash on J.U. Bickensap, however we all know that if the fourth quarter got here round final season and so they have been down or the sport was tied, the beginning unit was going to be on the ground. They have been going to play 5, six, seven minutes. In the event that they didn’t get again to the place they wanted to be,

Chris (29:10.637)

Yeah.

Ethan Sands (29:15.707)

They’re pulled, the reserves go in, and the sport is over. Proper? This time, and my favourite factor about this was it wasn’t, hey, Gervonta, we’d like a spark within the fourth quarter. Get on the market and present us what you probably did with the New Orleans Pelicans, although you haven’t performed with us in three, 4 video games. Proper? It was, hey, first half minutes, get acclimated, see the place you’re feeling snug. After which after we get to a time after we may want you, then you definitely get the prospect to really feel snug in your personal pores and skin.

within the circulate of the offense. And it was clear that Javante Inexperienced continues to be studying the completely different schemes, the completely different rules, and never all people’s going to be DeAndre Hunter and are available and say, OK, I acquired it, like the highest of a hat, proper? Clearly, DeAndre Hunter additionally had a cheat code in Ty Jerome being on trip with him and with the ability to undergo completely different units on these completely different conversations. However Javante Inexperienced,

Chris (29:53.047)

Sure.

Chris (30:00.321)

Mm-hmm

Ethan Sands (30:12.517)

then acquired to acclimate his personal self, has been in observe and was figuring out with the Cavs and all these various things and didn’t actually do nothing for the primary three quarters. He had one level, proper? Then within the fourth quarter, he has 10 of his 11 factors. He’s excellent from the sector, proper? That is the distinction in what we’re seeing within the teaching mentality of this group. And once more, this isn’t me bashing on something. That is me simply mentioning a degree and evaluating season to season.

Chris (30:29.528)

Mm-hmm.

Ethan Sands (30:42.203)

how this group is completely different from what we’ve seen prior to now. And clearly Kenny Atkinson has made some errors this yr, however that is one other push button that appears like he did it on the proper time when it permits a participant that wants further run and wishes further alternative in entrance of and with gamers on the ground to get an opportunity to showcase his talents, not solely to the teaching workers, but in addition to the teammates round him. That’s additionally one thing that Javante Inexperienced mentioned after right this moment’s recreation.

is that he’s getting acclimated, proper? And he’s feeling good, however he’s nonetheless attending to know all people on this group. He’s a quiet, reserved, sort of man. If him, you’re going to speak to him. In the event you don’t know him, he’s going to remain and do his personal little factor. However Chris, I needed to finish this podcast with this query to you. I do know Donovan Mitchell in your interview with Ty Jerome after the sport was sort of mouthing within the background concerning the sixth man of the yr dialog and the way

him and DeAndre Hunter have to be one and two on this dialog. What was that every one about? And did you truly get to ask the query of Hyderome concerning the six males of the yr, candidacy and race?

Chris (31:55.264)

Yeah, it’s humorous that Donovan introduced it up as a result of one of many issues that I did earlier than tonight’s recreation in opposition to Chicago is I simply seemed up the percentages for sixth man of the yr as a result of I used to be curious the place Ty was. And clearly I did a narrative on Ty earlier this morning about can the Cavs re-sign him? What sort of contract can they provide him? And all of it ties into it is a man who could possibly be within the sixth man of the yr dialog.

This can be a man who has been an integral piece within the Cavs changing into one of the best group within the NBA. He’s going to receives a commission. Paid in an enormous approach this off season. He deserves that. He’s earned that. And if he wins six man of the yr, , that price ticket is barely going to go up. So I used to be curious from my very own perspective. All proper. The place does he fall in six man of the yr odds? know, Vegas doesn’t know all the things. They’ll’t predict all the things, however they’re fairly darn good.

at this kind of factor, forecasting it. And I believe Ty was fifth or sixth amongst all of the candidates in sixth man of the yr. And it’s like, I simply assume we’re at a degree proper now, Ethan, , as a voter, I’ve been making an attempt to analysis this as a lot as doable. I’ve talked to as many individuals about this as doable. So it was one thing that I used to be going to speak to Ty about both on digicam or off digicam, simply the six man of the yr factor.

However when Donovan simply made it identified that, like Ty discuss your self up, DeAndre discuss your self up. I used to be, I used to be already going to have a dialog with Ty about it. So I simply felt like, okay, I’m going to provide the platform. And I mentioned to him, mentioned, in case you needed to make your personal case to be six man of the yr, what would you say? He mentioned, that’s not my job.

So Ty, so Ty didn’t actually wish to pump himself up. Ty didn’t wish to go down that highway, however he did say that for him, it will be actually, actually cool if both him or De’Andre gained it. But it surely’s all below the guise of profitable video games and profitable a championship. And in case you’re profitable from a group standpoint, likelihood is there are going to be some particular person accolades that comply with that as effectively.

Chris (34:20.704)

In saying that, that’s what Ty mentioned on digicam. In saying that, that’s what Ty mentioned to the media. However we all know these guys. We’ve been round them lengthy sufficient. And NBA gamers are prideful. NBA gamers have egos. Ty desires six man of the yr. There’s no query in my thoughts that he desires six man of the yr. And

There are individuals inside this group and inside that locker room gamers as effectively that don’t perceive how Peyton Pritchard is the favourite for six man of the yr. They don’t perceive it in any respect. They’ve requested me privately as a voter, like to clarify it to them how he’s primary. However the reality is it’s March fifth. And I believe this is among the extra open awards that there’s. And

I believe it’s a 5 participant race. do. I believe it’s each Cavs, De’Andrea Ty, Nas Reid, the winner final yr, Malik Beasley, who’s capturing the crap out of the ball for Detroit. He’s like the one dependable participant that they’ve coming off the bench, Who else is there? Marcus Sasser? Ron Holland? Actually?

I imply, he’s the one dependable participant that Detroit has coming off the bench. After which Peyton Pritchard. And there’s time. There may be time for Ty Jerome to proceed to climb. There may be time for Ty Jerome to point out that he ought to be extra concerned within the dialog for six man of the yr. So I don’t know precisely why Donovan singled me out and stored saying, Chris, Chris, ask him the query. Chris.

Ask them about Sixmanity or Chris, ask them about Sixmanity. I used to be engaged on a distinct story. Like that was one of many tales I used to be engaged on, however I used to be additionally engaged on the entire get off to horrible begins factor and the way they’re planning to treatment that. However when Donovan stored saying over and again and again, I mentioned, okay, I’m simply going to provide the platform to attempt to discuss your self up in case you’re keen to do this, in case you’re keen to make your case. As a result of like I mentioned, that was a facet story.

Chris (36:42.988)

that I used to be engaged on as effectively. simply wasn’t as urgent as Donovan tried to make it.

Ethan Sands (36:50.469)

For these subtexts that like to offer me and Chris a variety of little stuff on the behind the scenes, particularly when Chris says that gamers referred to as him out by identify saying Chris, no, return and watch the publish recreation video. Donovan Mitchell is within the background calling out Chris saying, the query, ask the query. Like I’m telling you, bro. Additionally, the opposite factor that must be famous relating to this.

Six man in a yr dialog is one thing that we’ve been speaking about all yr relating to cows gamers and two specifically is Ty Jerome most likely now has a greater likelihood of fifty 40 90 than Darius Garland does one as a result of he drives to the lane a complete lot extra is it wanting is searching for contact moderately than Daria is getting his floaters up. Ty Jerome is sitting at 12.1 factors per recreation.

whereas capturing 51.1 % from the sector, 44.1 % from deep was insane, and 89.7 % from the free throw line hit 9 free throws tonight. And Chris, I simply assume it’s essential that we notice that this dialog is popping out in opposition to a participant in Peyton Pritchard who’s averaging 13.9 factors per recreation, 47.2 % from the sector,

and 41.6 % from deep as effectively. So there’s legitimacy to every argument, however while you have a look at the Cavs and what they’ve happening, Ty Jerome positively is making an attempt to make his stand. And I believe the reply to your query, while you say, Eagle is basketball, however all people nonetheless has an ego. I believe the one participant within the NBA that might be proud of Ty Jerome getting the phrase over him can be his finest good friend in DeAndre Hunter.

Chris (38:34.434)

Thanks.

Ethan Sands (38:45.689)

And he mentioned that publicly, even whether it is in joke, in jest, I believe that might be the one man that might be okay with not getting six males in a yr if his finest good friend acquired the award as an alternative.

Chris (38:58.732)

Yeah, I imply that’s the factor Ethan, relating to six males a yr…

Why would you not going to dismiss Peyton Pritchard? You’re not going to dismiss Nas Reed. You’re not going to dismiss Malik Beasley. There’s a case to be made for each single a type of guys. It’s a robust case to be made. There are 100 those who vote on this factor and never all people values the identical stuff. Not all people sees it by way of the identical lens.

Proper? So one factor that issues to me could not matter to someone else. One factor that issues to someone else could not matter as a lot to me. So all 5 of these guys have a robust case. And that’s why it’s going to be difficult. solely put three names in your poll. So it’s not like you possibly can put all 5 there. But when someone have been to say, I’m voting for Nasreed.

Not going to be like, what a ridiculous vote. There’s no case to be made that approach. This isn’t a few years in the past the place some Dodo voted for Andre Drummond as a result of he led the NBA in rebounds. Even supposing each single considered one of his defensive metrics voted for him for defensive participant of the yr.

although each considered one of his defensive metrics mentioned that he was a horrible defensive participant. Like that’s not the case right here. There are 5 guys. All of them have a robust case, together with Ty, together with De’Andre. There’s something that the Cavs are going to run into although. There’s a actuality of this complete factor. And it’s one thing that Cavs gamers have run into prior to now. We talked about it final yr. We’re defensive participant of the yr.

Chris (40:49.282)

Folks couldn’t determine who was extra essential to the Cavs’ defensive success between Jared Allen and Evan Mobley. In order that they went with neither one. Typically that occurs. So DeAndre, Ty, they may take votes from one another. It could be laborious for voters to say, all proper, like who’s the extra essential one coming off the bench?

Who’s the one which the calves can’t stay with out? How a lot will we think about what DeAndre did with the Atlanta Hawks coming off the bench? You recognize what I imply? So I believe we may run right into a state of affairs with voters the place they only don’t know the reply between Ty Jerome and DeAndre Hunter. And moderately than placing two Cavaliers within the high three since you solely get three spots.

They’re simply going to have to choose considered one of them, or they’re going to choose none of them. And so they’re simply going to go along with Nas, Peyton Pritchard and Malik Beasley as a result of they’ll’t determine the reply to the entire Cav six man factor.

Ethan Sands (42:04.389)

Okay, I believe that’s an fascinating matter that we’ll positively be stepping into extra because the season progresses. Once more, that is simply being recorded at 1.30 within the morning on March fifth, however we acquired a lot extra to get into.

Chris (42:21.155)

It’s solely 1230 the place I’m. I’m good and contemporary.

Ethan Sands (42:25.105)

Yeah, don’t discuss to me. 130, thank God there’s no shoot round tomorrow. Sure, sir. Woo hoo. Anyway, I’ll see you guys after the Miami Warmth recreation tomorrow night time. It could simply be me, perhaps me and Jimmy. Come and discover out. However with all that being mentioned, that’ll wrap up right this moment’s episode of the Wine and Gold Speak podcast. However keep in mind,

Chris (42:27.404)

Hashtag central time.

Chris (42:34.082)

Sure.

Ethan Sands (42:53.531)

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